I don't think they should have any such "RIGHTS" UNLESS - they have been an intricate part of the childs life and due to separation / relationship breakdown and the custodial parent decides that there will be no access for no reason other than spite. Perfect example one of my friends and her husband have lived with his parents (separate house same property) for the past 6 years and prior to that these grandparents would make the 45 minute trip to see those children at least 3 to 4 times a week. When they were all living on the same property the couple use to both work full time and the grandparents use to take the kids to school everyday and would collect them every afternoon - they would then entertain the children before bathing them and giving them dinner. They would do all the activities such as home work and assignments with them as well - They were basically raising these children!!! Then he has an accident which leaves him in a disabled state and the couple separate, she takes the children and moves back to her parents and a messy court case ensues, she put an AVO on him so he could not go near her or the kids, the grandparents were shut down at every turn offered to baby sit during the trial, offered to come collect the children in the morning and afternoon and then drop them home at night when she got home from work so they would not have to go to childcare she said flat out NO! After basically raising these kids it was 16 weeks before they got to see them again and that was only because the children's other grandmother (her own mother) thought it was disgusting how they had been pushed aside and allowed them to meet for 10 minutes - during which the 2 eldest cried non-stop that they missed them so much. They are currently going through an expensive court case to see if they can be part of the kids life - they don't want much, as she (gran) said to me even if they let us see the kids for an hour after school once a month just so we can remind them we still love them sad
I think that it should be what ever is in the best interest of the children, and in the case above it is in the best interest for the grandparents to be able to be part of it all
As for grandparents that never bother with their grandchildren and never see them or have that wonderful relationship with them then SOD OFF you have no rights, a right is something you earn and they get nothing!!!
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